October 30, 2005
better together: unless x
After everything I’ve written, and everything I think about or consider, I always get stuck on one main concept: definitions or labels. I know who I am, and I know who I’m not, but society tells me I need to conform to one group or another in order to be real. Society says I’m not a real person unless there are people I can relate to. Bring in gay vs. God, and I have a problem.
<< so get this | Main | all the gays >> 11:49 PM by RobThe problem, however, is that I think I even have a problem in the first place. I don’t need to define myself as gay, and I don’t necessarily have to define myself as a Christian. I can be a man who loves (and fears) God, but also a man who happens to prefer the company of men, in a non-sexual but intimate manner. What in that statement says I should claim to be gay, and why then do I continually struggle with myself? Because, like I mentioned before, I need relationships. I need groups, or even individuals, with whom I can relate and talk about whatever subject I feel the need to talk about. Generally speaking, the mainstream gay community is the opposite of accepting towards the fag-hating religious folk, and the general Christian community is far from accepting even discussing the topic of homosexuality in an open manner. So, if how I feel means that I need to label myself "gay", then that brings with it the perception of an "immoral lifestyle" (though remember, gay is just a label, not a lifestyle).
The sermon today, which was part of the 40 days of purpose going on the headline "better together", spent a fair amount of time discussing how we need to share our problems so we can help one another and carry each other’s burdens. There are so many problems or burdens that work in that situation; if I were an alcoholic I could openly admit it and ask for support, if I were some abusive divorcee people would understand and help, heck even if I were a unwed mother-to-be I would find acceptance. However this issue would just tear people apart. My reputation would be thrown out the window, and those who found out about it would be devastated. They would say, "I can’t believe it, how did he get involved in this? He was always such a nice boy." And I would try to say, "I still am.. I’m no different than I was 30 seconds ago, before I told you."
That’s my worst fear. I’m sure there would be some in my church who have had at least some sort of experience similar to mine (apart from the ex-pastor’s wife who’s husband left her for another man), but how many of those people would have openly shared their situation or experiences with anyone that I would talk to? It’s not like I can walk up to someone who might look like he’d have personal parallels to my situation and say, "So I’m gay, have you struggled with it too?"
I know that this means there might be others even more lost than I, and I often think of what help I’m doing them by not sharing my struggles with the church.. but why do I have to be the first? Who says I can’t just be normal?
And so I go on, being a very active member of the church, closely tied to the pastors and respected members/elders, and putting forth the greatest level of God’s unconditional love as I would want to receive in return… all the while hiding a cavern of hurt and despair so deep inside that no one will even know it exists.
*glues back on the happy church face and corresponding happy church voice*
Removed commenting on this post because of the overwhelming percentage of spam comments posted to it.
In all honesty, you know who you are, who cares about anyone else? You can be honest with yourself and God and not have to worry about how man treats the issue. Why do you have to tell everyone, or anyone? Just live, and as the time comes where you feel the need to share that fact with someone, then go for it. If they truely care for you, it won't make the slightest difference. You don't have to be 'the first,' and I'm sure you're not. Just because you don't openly announce it to everyone doesn't mean you're not being hoenst.
Sexuality isn't something to be worn on your sleeve. I wear mine on the inside, where I feel it belong. Near my heart and in tune with my head. I don't blurt it, for it is not important to my identity, it's just who I'll give my heart to.
Posted by: Steven at October 31, 2005 12:09 AMWhile I do agree that no one (straight or gay) should go around flaunting their sexuality, the fact is that straight people wear their sexuality on their sleeves all the time. They wear their wedding rings, they hold hands, they flirt with each other, they point out members of the opposite sex that they are attracted to, they talk about their crushes... and in everything they do they declare (in a roundabout way) "I'm straight -- my sexual desires are for the opposite sex." Of course, no one thinks this, which is fine, but when I, as a gay woman, say that I think another woman is pretty, I'm suddenly flaunting my sexuality.
I understand that we don't need to tell everyone, but the fact is that gay people have just as much of a need or desire to talk about their lives, their feelings, even their crushes as anyone else. If we were straight, no one would question this need, but because we're gay it becomes a matter of 'wearing our sexuality on our sleeve'. People need community, friends. God designed us that way. It's just so frustrating to have to shut this part of us away from people for so much of the time for fear of their reaction.
At least, this is my experience.
Posted by: JJ at October 31, 2005 07:13 AMWHOA.
#1--my wife, Grace, sent me here to your site.
#2—Your blog is beautiful! well designed, clean, and laid out nicely! good work. (for what it's worth).
#3--for a long time, i have struggled with same-sex attraction disorder. i have finally faced this as a struggle and a way God is attempting to use my life to glorify Him. not easy. but I now see purpose in it—although i’m not yet to the rejoicing part yet. :)
#4—WHOA (again). reading your 10/30 post was almost like reading myself. So funny (not funny "haha" but funny "intersting/odd/random") how many of the sentiments you expressed i share with you! [Although how we feel is possibly not all that uncommon.]
anyway...i have a few comments, if you don't mind.
first ... i believe you're right about the "label" thing. at least that's what my therapist suggested to me and I have since tended to agree.
next, i'd like to let you know that you're not alone on the "needing to be around men" thing. i believe that if i (speaking only for myself here) had that all along, perhaps i wouldn't have had reason to struggle so. don't misunderstand: Grace is AWESOME in all the girly/womanly ways possible. but she's no dude. (And she runs like a girl, too. LOL)
AND A HEARTY "AMEN" to your comment about being real and transparent in the Church. ironically, that's where i sometimes feel the most lost. at least in the world at-large, i don't feel so completely isolated and "different." (sometimes even in the world i still do but that's a different post.) i will say that while i haven't gone church-wide with this particular struggle [and this isn't my only one...i struggle with materialism, envy, self-control (or lack thereof), etc.], i have shared this struggle with a group of about 5 men and in the process (which has gone from excruciating to much easier) has been so freeing to me and has been a big part of how i have arrived at a much more healthy place and self-image than ever before in my life as i become the whole man God intended me to be! i share this with you so that you may have hope even as i do.
that said: i share with you a similar fear of rejection. not just from men--altho that gender in particular--but from a community of God-fearers who do not understand the nature of this particular struggle with Godliness. (These individuals may also choose to overlook other struggles as less It's really no different that anything else but they associate it with a huge "yuck" factor and many other "labels" (child-abuser, etc.). i fear that.
but mostly, i fear transparency. I fear accountability. I fear people finding out the real me.
i don't know where in all this our similar paths diverge. i just wanted to share with you some of my experiences. I am learning to open up--and most importantly, TRUST--others of my gender. to share this struggle. to reach out to those who struggle with LIFE.
all the while, wondering.... "God, what is your purpose in me no longer hiding...? what do you want me to do with this??"
and yeah, I think I know the answer.
fun times.
i know you are hurting. and damn if that mask doesn’t get to hurtin’, too!
my prayer for you is Romans 15:13...
t-dub
Posted by: tdub at October 31, 2005 08:47 PMarg, t-dub... "same-sex attraction disorder" - it isn't even a cool acronym or anything
The problem isn’t always with who you are – sometimes it can be with what you believe.
Posted by: Sean at November 2, 2005 01:14 PMOh also, you also seem to have your head up your own ass a little bit – no offense but you really don’t have any huge problems and you come off sounding a wee bit self-absorbed. You are who you are – sure there are conflicts you need to figure out but that is life… and how it is for everyone… and it isn’t as though anyone is going to die
I know, not really what you were looking for but I do honestly think it is good advice – for myself as much as anyone else.
Posted by: Sean at November 2, 2005 01:26 PMSean,
you are astute in your assumptions of TDub as being self-absorbed and that these very assumptions may be best aimed back at you. TDub may have sounded a bit self-absorbed in his comment. Tdub is relating to Rob about issues/tendancies/SINS that are about SELF (all sins are, actually)...and so...it makes sense that he would sound a bit "self-absorbed".
I can tell you firsthand....YES...Tdub can be very self-absorbed....but really, not more than I am. And....if you(or I) call him self-absorbed, we really only hate ourselves and abhor our own self-absorption. He (Tdub) is, in the grand scheme of things, an extremely loving, devoted, and unselfish husband.
Just had to say it. :)
love in Him,
grace
Gracy,
While it is true that I don't think too highly of "tdub" based on his comment I actuly wasn't talking about him... as much as I like Rob I was talking about what he had origionaly written. Sorry for not being more clear and yes it is good advice for me as well
(although... maybe thinking that everyone is talking about you is the highest sign of self absorption)
Posted by: Sean at November 2, 2005 06:01 PMyes Seany...you are right! :) I am just self-absorbed enough vicariously through tdub to have imagined you were talking to him....OR...maybe i'm just really protective of him...who knows.
But go ahead and apply my same comments with regard to Rob because it's the same difference.
I can't imagine why you'd think less of tdub OR rob based on their honest sharing of ideas/thoughts/feelings. That's, I guess, what puzzles me most about your comment/tone.
It may not seem like such a big problem, but it actually is because it involves faith. True, no one may die from the discussion, but there are a lot of emotional strings attached, and in the end, if it concerns faith, it concerns heaven and hell, and the questions that come with it.
It's not as easy as "be yourself" or other platitudes like that. There are so many complex issues one has to take into account... And as for being self-absorbed, well, it's something everyone has a right to, since we all have problems, though some more complicated than others. And unless you have to handle the problem with being gay and Christian, you probably won't get why it's as hard as it is.
Posted by: Ash at November 2, 2005 08:06 PMThanks all for the comments.
Sean, one of the main reasons I decided to stop writing last year was because I noticed I was becoming too self-absorbed. I recognized it at the time, and I recognzied that having a blog was such an easy way to be self-absorbed. I didn't want to be seen like that, so I stopped.
Then I decided I didn't care anymore and started writing again. Like Grace said, and as you probably know, the point of this site is for me to talk about myself, not my trips to the grocery store or movie reviews etc. But I still do appreciate your honest advice.
Posted by: rob at November 2, 2005 09:36 PM